Snapdragon Elite X2 Performance & Intel Terafab Announcement Explained

Kind: captions Language: en We have brand new PC performance numbers for you and a flurry of Intel partnership announcements next on the Tech Stack. Welcome to another edition of Techstack. I'm Jim McGregor, the founder and principal analyst here at Turius Research, and I'm joined by my esteemed colleagues, Mark Vina, who is with Smart Techch and Marco Japeta from Hot Tech. Gentlemen, thank you so much for joining me today. And um I almost feel like we've been off the air too long because there's so many announcements coming out so quickly, but we have some new exciting stuff. Marco, I know that you were one of the first ones to get your hands on some of the new uh Qualcomm based products both from Acer and HP and you published an article on it. So, let's talk about the brand new Qualcomm Snapdragon X2 and what it offers in terms of those in terms of performance, battery life, and everything. So, it it's pretty great. Um, I'm going to show one machine because one went back. This is the uh Asus ZenBook A16. Um, I love this beige color. It's pretty awesome. nice thin and light sub three pound machine. Now this guy is packing the Snapdragon X2 Elite Extreme. So the higherend uh 18 core chip and in this particular machine um it can power level up to 72 watts. So a fairly powerful machine. I also got my hands on a smaller 14-in uh HP prototype Elite Book. That one could only achieve about 35 watts and that had to go back right away. So, I can't show everybody what that machine looks like here, but you know, when uh when Qualcomm first started talking about the X2 Elite and X2 Elite Extreme, they made some bold claims. You know, um huge uh single core performance boosts, obviously, multi-core performance boost as well, not only because the cores are more powerful, but there's more of them. There's up to 18 cores, you know, up to, you know, they claimed a 40% increase in GPU performance and up to an 80 tops NPU. So really strong uh AI capabilities as well. And through my array of benchmarks, I basically prove it out everything Qualcomm claimed. So the competition is much stiffer today than when the first gen uh Snapdragon X machines launched. So Panther Lake and AMD's best, they are they're really competitive uh in terms of of single core and multi-thread performance. But where Qualcomm starts to pull away in these thin and light form factors with like a a Cinebench, a heavily multi-threaded benchmark that's going to use all those cores, Qualcomm's in the lead. They also lead in terms of of single thread performance. Like it's only a much more powerful gaming class notebook with a discrete GPU that pulled ahead of the X2. Oh yeah, we have the graph up on the screen now. So like that that Core Ultra 9275HX machine that's an Alienware 16 gaming notebook with the discrete GPU much much more powerful you know much thicker more capable cooling but everything below is a more mainstream thinner lighter machine and as you can see the the A16 clearly on top you know with that 7008 multi-thread score and throughout the other tests what you'll find you know similar story GPU um isn't quite as fast as Intel's you know that 12xe top end in Panther Lake, but it's basically double the performance of the previous gen in real world scenarios like a game or uh you know in 3D Mark and uh the NPU we also had a Geekbench result. I don't know if that's easy to pop up for you, Damian, but yeah, you know, in the Geekbench result, if you're using the uh Qualcomm's framework, like all of these tests are with each platform's preferred framework. So, Open Veno or Onyx, what have you. And you could see that 80 tops NPU clearly blows past uh Panther Lake as well. So, overall performance pretty strong, I think. Did you guys have a chance to check some of these numbers out? What do you think? >> I did. I saw some of your numbers. Matter of fact, I was kind of impressed. Um, we're we're supposed to be getting some. Matter of fact, Damen's going to be uh testing them as he goes out on the road to Cadence Live this week. But I had to I I noticed one thing that the ASUS had or the HP had more memory than the ASUS, but the ASUS seemed to outperform the HP in most of your tests. Why was that? >> Yes. So, it's um that's actually an important distinction and I'm glad you mentioned it because I would have forgot to bring it up. Um the memory configurations on the X2 Elite, you can have either on package memory, right? Or you can have discrete memory modules that are separate. With the topend X2 Elite Extreme, it's mandatory to have the fastest on package memory. So even though it has less capacity, it's higher clocked and you know, it's just higher bandwidth. It's right there on the package. It's it's running faster, fewer errors on those shorter traces, what have you. On the HP machine, it had 64 gigs versus 48 in the other machine. It's discrete memory and it's not clocked as high. So, in situations where you're not capacity constrained because it has lower bandwidth, it's it doesn't have quite the level of performance as the ASUS machine. >> Now, these are definitely the these are not inexpensive PCs. I believe the going price for these is somewhere around $19.99 or above depending on how it's configured. So I mean what I mean and and you had both hot and not in the article. So I mean there are obviously some still a few compatibility issues and stuff like that. So what do you see as the primary user or application for these PCs? >> So the pricing on the A16 is actually $1699 in the 48 gig configuration that I tested. The the HP machine I don't have pricing yet, but yes, these are going to be premium. So that $2,000 price range. In my opinion, I think the X2 Elite is ideal for um creators that are going to leverage all those cores or folks that want maximum battery life in a thin and light quiet machine. So, in my battery life tests, right, it they did not lead the pack in terms of overall battery life. They were about in the upper third, at least the ASUS machine was. I'm not going to ding the HP machine because it was a prototype and they're still working on the power profile. But this ASUS machine with I believe it was a 70watt hour battery uh give or take a couple watt hours, I don't remember specifically, it was up there in the upper third quadrant of like best machines in terms of battery life. And it was actually behind some previous gen Snapdragon X Elite machines, but the distinction is this was about twice as fast in some of the tests. So in terms of efficiency, it's way more efficient. But because you have so much more horsepower in a machine like this and it can boost up to 72 watts, that absolute battery life may not be quite as long. But if you're if you live your life in office applications or online and want the thinnest, lightest, quietest machine that's going to charge quick, the the Snapdragon X2 Elites are a great option. I think >> Mark, I have to ask you, I mean, obviously you've seen this information and you're tracking the market just like the rest of us. Is this enough uh to convince uh the x86 PC users to switch over or the Apple users Stephen switch over? What do you think? >> Well, first of all, I'm gratified the fact that you know Marco has been able to validate a lot of the claims from Qualcomm. You know that I always get nervous about and and Jim, I know you fall you fall into this category and I know Marco, you certainly fall into this category. There was a day not long ago when, you know, you would get performance claims from a vendor, whether it's a graphics card or whether it's a CPU, and you'd find out that, oh, guess what? There's, yeah, it performed relatively well, but there were so many caveats or so many different things that they did. It kind of it kind of juiced the um the testing environment, but that's certainly not true with this. And it's always nice to have a trust but verify type of attitude. So, first of all, I mean, these per performance results are stunning. Frankly, uh, it tells me that Qualcomm specifically, this was not a oneanddone type of thing. They still have a lot of momentum. It tells you from an architecture standpoint, but they've got some scale here, you know, so it's always nice to know that, you know, your your next generation platforms provide this level of performance. Little, you know, disappointed, not well, maybe not disappointment, but but I was I was hoping to see, you know, spectacular battery results. Now, the batteries uh results were still very good for Snapdragon platforms. I mean, being in in the in the um that tier where Marco just described, that's not that's not a bad thing, but it's certainly not leading the um leading the pack, at least from a battery life standpoint. And then just to answer your question, uh Jim, you know, I think these performance results are strong enough to give people um a kind of a hey, you know what, maybe we need to I need to consider do I have to go out and buy a $4,000 MacBook Pro, frankly, with an M5. So I, you know, I think that it's um, you know, I think it's it's great news to validate what Qualcomm has been doing. And I would say one other thing, uh, from an ARM standpoint, you know, I really think now, and maybe Marco, you could chime in on this is what, you know, can we put behind in the rearview mirror, should I go out and buy an x86 platform versus an ARM platform? And yes, there are some compatibility issues out there with specific software, but it's a very small number of apps. And I think if you're a mainstream user, you know, I I'm not sure that's even a consideration anymore, but I'd love to get Marcos and Jim your thought on that particular issue. >> What do you think? >> So, in my opinion, only if games are consideration. I'll give you a real world example. So, as you guys know, um, all of the major platforms launch new mobile processors. So, we had Intel, Panther Lake, Gorgon Point from AMD, and now X2 Elite. In preparation for all of these new launches, the team, you know, Dave and I and the team at Hot Tech and Hot Hardware, we grabbed whatever machines we had on hand, fully updated everything, installed all the latest versions of the benchmarks available at that moment in time, reran all our numbers. Now, in those group of tests, we picked um three games to to run as well, you know, that are fairly demanding but can run on integrated graphics. And of those games, only one ran on the X2 Elite, right? So there's a F-125 wouldn't run and Unreal Engine based game called Tallows Principal wouldn't run as well. And the F1 games, it was because of the anti-che technology from EA hasn't been ported over yet. And on Talos principle, it was a compatibility issue with the engine. Now the platform's perfectly capable of running it. And if I go to a previous version of F1, F122 runs just fine because it's not using the same antiche sheet. But it just points out that when you have something that requires like kernel mode drivers um for Windows, if those haven't been ported yet, then the Prism emulation doesn't really help you. So it's much much fewer the number of applications like all of the big mainstream uh creator applications and productivity apps. Most likely there's ARM native versions and if there isn't they will also most likely run very well under Prism emulation but to an extent Qualcomm is you know at the mercy of game developers or developers of anti-Get technology and Microsoft to kind of get everything squared away. >> Okay. I got to ask you guys though. Is there one thing that you think puts them o over the top either that they have today or that you'd like to see them have in the future? for the Snapdragon platform. >> I I I'm I'm not going to say there's one thing except for, you know, it's it's the best single thread performance on a Windows PC. Not quite as fast. I I didn't have one of the latest Macs to run unfortunately, but the data I've seen shows Apple still has an advantage with single thread performance. They have the best multi-thread performance as well. So, if you're the kind of user that's sort of doing a lot at any given time, right? you you have sort of the best of both worlds. Really responsive single thread performance and all those cores available to do a lot of stuff at at once, whether you're multitasking or running a creator app that will use all the threads. So, I I can't like put my finger on this one must-have feature, but when you look at the total platform, Qualcomm's got a lot of positive things here to consider. >> What about you, Mark? Well, I mean, again, I just I just don't I again, you know, Marco focused on gaming and I think most people Yeah, there are people who buy specific notebooks or c even desktops, but mostly now mobile products for gaming and that's a relatively small audience. you know, you know, I think in terms of a broad audience and if you're gonna buy, you know, if you're going to spend 1,500 bucks or $2,000 for a >> a laptop, you want really good performance that works in a variety of different mainstream environments. And, you know, and and you and and I think Marco, what you're saying is that, you know, there they have, you know, Qualcomm has made a lot of progress on the gaming front as well. It may not be as um locked down 100% assured if you buy an x86 class platform, but I don't think most I think there are only a very small number of users that that think in terms of gaming only, you know, but if you're looking for something that you frankly is much more versatile than that. I think a Qualcomm ARM platform is the place to be. That's what I certainly would recommend to people. >> Yep. No, I agree with you. I think Qualcomm's done a great job. I think with the X2, they really upped their game in terms of performance and capability of the platform. Um, I mean, I I still there's two things I'd still love to see. I'd still love to see a discrete graphics uh paired with it, and I'd still love to see um a cellular modem in every mobile PC. So, because I really think that changes the way you use it. And quite honestly, I don't think you can really have an AI PC unless you can access the cloud anywhere, anytime. But that's my two cents. But I do agree with you both. I think Qualcomm's done a great job and I think it it really has provided another option to the market, especially for those road warriors, and I've always loved the Qualcomm platform when I'm on the road just because of the the, you know, uh the battery life capabilities I've had on some of their platforms over the past. So, gentlemen, thank you very much. Let's move on. I mean, >> before we before we move on, can I just make one really important point that I just want to squeeze in there? I'm sorry to interrupt you. The the the one thing that really impressed me the most though is Qualcomm injecting themselves into the PC market has lifted the entire Windows laptop market. If you look at when they first launched the less than two years ago when their first platform launched to today, they lit a fire under Intel and AMD and their partners. And the machines you can buy today, maybe not solely because Qualcomm injected themselves into the space, but that increased competition. There's some beautiful machines now and you have tons of options for thin and light to big powerful machines and it's because of that increased competition and that it's, you know, Qualcomm should get some credit for that is all I wanted to say. No, I agree with you. And quite honestly, your comments earlier about the ASUS, I love from an aesthetic standpoint and the cases that they use and everything else, I love the ASUS books. The uh the their mobile computers are just awesome. Uh if nothing else, I'm happy they can get something that's not black or silver. >> And you know, I I'm the same way. Like I bought a beige camera, so like when the beige laptop showed up, I'm like, "Wow, that's cool." Okay, gentlemen, we've had a number of announcements. Matter of fact, it it's incredible because, you know, we've all said that, you know, Intel is still working its way back to, you know, uh trying to be a leader in the industry again and they've made three significant announcements, partnership announcements over the past week. Um uh two with uh you know, let's go over one by one. First off, we have Google. They announced with Google that they're going to be doing uh they're going to be working with Google uh both because Google uses their their Xeon platform, their Zeon 6 Plus, but also with you know uh modifying or enhancing the IPU which other people call the DPU. Uh it's basically the integrated accelerator for all those you know um uh internal workloads that uh you have to do on system. So guys, what do you think is this Google announcement important? Yeah. You want me to go first, Mark? >> Sure. >> Yeah. So, I I I think it's important for a couple of reasons. One, Intel really needs all the good news it can get, right? They they're really on an upswing and these kind of significant big announcements from companies like Google. Hugely important. And part of this is is common sense, right? Of course, Xeons are going to continue to be deployed in Google's infrastructure. they're just such a, you know, a mainstream of data data center servers. Um, the announcement that they're going to, you know, co-development work on AS6, that's a much bigger deal to me because, you know, Intel Foundry, it's important for them to succeed. And although there's no real announcement in terms of Google using Intel Foundry, that's a good co-development position to be in. Um, and there's potential for Intel Foundry to gain a lot of business. And yeah, you know, anytime you're collaborating with a a monster company uh in a hot space like AI, you know, it's good news. So, mostly good news all around for Intel in my opinion. >> And we should note that Google has its own uh CPU, the Axion, and they have their own AI accelerator with the TPU. So, you're right. This may lead to more foundry opportunities for Intel. What do you think, Mark? >> Well, first and foremost, I think that any news is good news for Intel. I mean, I think they've been making slow progress in a very positive direction in a number of areas. And anytime you you um you know, go down a path of building a relationship with Google, it's because of Google's prominence in the cloud. I mean, they're underscoring this whole heterogeneous um uh development. And they're saying to the world essentially is that the whole world is not just about accelerators. It's the the the performance story is is a much more uh distributed type of approach. So, I think it's I think it's a significant deal. Um, it keeps Intel relevant, you know, uh, and by the way, it validates their whole Xeon strategy, which is continues to be a big deal. So, I think this is good. This is good, a good step. It's certainly a good announcement and uh, and I think it's needed and uh, you know, and and it's also, by the way, economies, it's it's an economies discussion as well, which Intel is really good at, by the way, and so is Google for that matter. But bring that together, I think it it's it's a significant uh announcement and it's not something that's just foundational. I think it's something frankly that has a lot of potential associated with it. >> You know, I agree with you on that, Mark. I I definitely think that uh this is going to enhance the IPU and there were there was kind of a focus on that. Um and obviously, you know, Google being able to interject some of its requirements and some of its specifications into future IPU products. I think that's going to be good. But I agree with you. I think that there's a bigger opportunity down the road. Now, the second announcement was with Sabonova announcing that they're basically partnering with Sabbonova to where they're going to be offering, you know, um different solutions for the AI kind of value chain where it's going to be GPU based for the prefill it. Then obviously you have the processor complex and now you're going to have a Samanova R2 that's going to be your decode solution. Now this is a little bit different than what we've seen before because you know there obviously we saw the announcement with Nvidia and Grock with the Gro V3 for doing that high performance inference solution and you've got other solutions out there doing inference but that was really for really fast inference performance. Intel and Sanenovo with the R2 are really targeting very large workloads. As a matter of fact, they kept referencing trillion parameter solutions and being able to do it and this was probably the most impressive part to me being able to provide this solution in a 30 kilowatt rack. So an air cooled solution that can fit into existing data centers today. Mark go. Well, I mean, first and foremost, I mean, I think this is yet another Hey, this is really relevant because it keeps Intel associated with a um a powerhouse like Sanova. And by the way, I love the the name Sanova sends like a wine. Hey, let's go for a b get a bottle of wine Sanernova from from Napa Valley. But putting that putting that aside, I mean, I think it also kind of signals that aentic AI is pushing infrastructure into a new phase. you know, aentic AI is is sucking up more power, has more and more requirements. Ken, you know, you know, the the word Zeon comes up. This very powerful part of the message, you know, from a um from a relevant standpoint for Sanernova was really the fact they're making a big commitment to Intel Xeon 6. So, I think that's a big deal. And uh let's face it, I mean, it's also about economics. I made that relevant uh that that comment before, but they're selling RDUs essentially as a decode engine. And it's that changes the economics about inference. So I think that's a big big deal. And um and and then you know the last thing I I would say as well this is yet another announcement from Intel that's not a science project. It's not something well we're going to see some advantages and benefits 10 years from now. This is really a commercial blueprint frankly and I think that's a big big deal because at the end of the day you know investors the market they react to things that have a lot of substance with it not a pie in the sky type of approach. So again I think it's a good news standpoint from an intel standpoint and it's relevant which is the most important part. Marco, what do you think? I mean, obviously this is and and Samanova is very unique in the fact it's got a unique memory hierarchy which allows it to do these larger parameter models on fewer accelerators than you would, you know, some of the other solutions in the market. >> Yeah. So, it's I'm going to I just want to point out something you mentioned and it's it's an important distinction. you you mentioned Nvidia and Grock and the the market lots of the market is headed in this direction of these mixed environments where you have the right accelerator for the right job and that's really what this what this announcement points out you know you you have uh Intel CPU there'll be GPU in there and the Sonova RDU the reconfigurable data flow unit and it's that data flow architecture that's important here it does exactly what you say you know it it it manages compute resources and memory access differently than than other accelerator architectures and it allows Sabonova to you know excel with large models or with um you know mixture of experts where you have multiple smaller models that are more focused on specific tasks. So once all of the the software work is done here and you have this mixed environment that has accelerators for a wider array of work a wider array of workflows. I think this is really important and and Intel partnered with a you know SAO is a strong partner. There were rumors for weeks that Intel was thinking of buying them and that hasn't come to fruition but obviously you know there's some synergy here and we have this announcement today to talk about. >> Well I think the most important thing is is they're not trying to do everything in house and let's face it Intel doesn't always do well when it acquires companies. So I I I had Jim, you had to say that >> I like seeing the partnership aspect of it. I like seeing these entities come together, right? So I I think this is good. And and once again, we are we said this before, you know, it's not necessarily targeting the same type of AI workload. We tend to sometimes in our industry say, well, AI is driving everything. Well, that's kind of like you saying, well, every medical application is the same or every IoT application is the same. There are so many different types of AI workloads that there's going to be a lot of room in the market for a lot of different solutions that are optimized around energy efficiency for those particular workloads. >> Right. >> Okay. Absolutely. >> So, gentlemen, last one. And this one I I kind of have to read the tea leaves on because there's not a lot of data. Now we already know that Intel was working with or Tesla was working with Intel but now you know Elon Musk has gone out and said well I want a terra fab solution. I want my own fab solution to be able to develop my own chipsets both, you know, like the um I believe it's A15 and A16 that are going into the humanoid robots and their their vehicles, the Tesla vehicles, but also the uh D3 which they're targeting for um future satellite their low earth orbit satellite solutions for SpaceX or or for sorry not SpaceX but uh um yeah actually SpaceX. SpaceX is going to be putting these solutions. They've talked about data centers in space and obviously part of the SpaceX is the solutions we have today which I'm actually using which is the uh Starlink. So um and this is kind of an interesting one because you know they've said that they want to build out this Terra Fab in Austin, Texas. Well, now they're bringing on Intel as a partner and apparently Intel is going to be providing some of the IP that that process technology. They've mentioned specifically the uh uh 18A technology which is kind of the leading edge technology in the world today. Um and they've also kind of talked about Intel providing packaging technology like their EMIT T uh as well as helping them run this. So, it's going to be interesting to see because I'm not quite sure that everything initially is going to be in Austin. I think some of it's probably going to be leveraging Intel resources. And I would expect that if this is successful, it's going to be a much longer term solution. And what's really interesting about this is they're talking about 80% of the capacity being utilized by SpaceX, not by Tesla for the humanoids and and the cars. So, it's going to be interesting how this develops. This isn't an a a Tesla SpaceX only solution. Obviously, now this is an Intel SL Mhm. >> Tesla solution or whatever you want to call it. Marco, what do you think? >> Yeah. So, before I say anything, I want to qualify. I think Musk likes to say certain things to disrupt markets and what's said today may not necessarily be what's delivered tomorrow. There's a I I'm not disparaging the guy. obviously very successful but what's initially suggested may not be what actually arrives and there's a long track record with that and it is what it is and now in terms of the actual announcement you know he wants to build this this massive foundry and you know there was a time when no one built transistors like Intel and if you're going to partner with somebody in the US to build transistors Intel is it so I think this is a really important announcement with tons of potential I think they were speaking about you know a 100,000 wafer starts a month. Uh, which is not nothing, right? That's a that's significant capacity to bring here to the US. And whether or not the vision plays out exactly as initially described, I think this is nothing but goodness, right? As long as they remain committed and we know Musk has the funds to to sort of bankroll this, it essentially means leading edge more leading edge transistors built in the US, right? And that's important. And as you mentioned, Intel clearly a leader in packaging, right? And virtually everybody in the industry is using chiplets or or putting, you know, multi- dyes on elaborate packaging. And Intel clearly has an advantage over virtually everybody there. And, you know, as you mentioned, 18A leading edge fab with leading edge tech. You know, gate allaround transistors and and backside power delivery. There's there's lots of goodness there, too. So, if Musk's going to inject a ton of money and they're going to potentially build, you know, a huge fab with tons of capacity, you know, amen, I'm all for it. >> You know, I love your view on that because we have to remember that Intel is still scaling out its first 18A fab, which is Fab 52. They still have FAB 62 next door, which they can uh uh scale up. Um, and they've got two new fabs that they've got planned for Ohio. So, you're right. This may be not necessarily the Austin view that was initially uh presented, but this may be part of Intel's foundry capacity going forward. >> Mark, what do you think? >> Well, I I would just make the two points that you just guys made. I mean, first and foremost, when Elon Mus says something, you got to pay attention. He tends to be a bit out there in front of things. Um, I would make a couple of observations. He's first and foremost he's not a foundry guy from a foundational experience standpoint. So you you have to wonder of course he did buy Twitter he wasn't a Twitter expert and you know look what that look what happened with that but the the thing that Jim you mentioned this is the one that when I heard the announcement I'm like 80% of the capacity is going to go to SpaceX. I mean foundaries are all about volume. They're all about scale and the the the call it the spacecraft industry whether it's satellites whether it's uh spacecraft to carry human beings that's not a volume market. I mean I mean I could pull the numbers up but it's not like they launch you know 500,000 satellites you know every year. It's it's a relatively small number. So there's a scale thing that which is kind of interesting. Um, of course the, you know, now that Intel is involved with this, you know, they are and like Marco said, their expertise on on on uh packaging is is is second to none. They are the guys that you go to. So, I'm going to be listening to this. I'd like to get more data, but like Marco said, sometimes, you know, he's a he's a Elon tends to get ahead of himself. So, I'd love to hear, you know, more get more data before I can kind of I can form a decision. But it's certainly intriguing. Certainly intriguing. >> Well, and that whole space vision, I mean, you got to remember that the those processors have to be radiation hardened. So, rad hard. And that's very unique because usually when we've seen that in the past for the aerospace and and defense industry, that's always been a dedicated fab. >> Uh, now Intel says that, you know, and we're talking about not using an older technology like we would traditionally do. We're talking about using the state-of-the-art technology. So this is going to be very interesting and there's some other you know obviously Intel's constantly working on new technology and that may factor into this uh development as well and I would agree with you. I don't think I mean building a fab is I would say it's it's a very audacious uh type of you know goal to do. I mean it is huge to get into that market. We're talking, you know, 2030 billion dollars to build a fab from from scratch. And to have the not to mention the technology you need to be able to do the process technology and everything else and the packaging technology, that's not something that I think that uh Tesla can do on its own, but I think with Intel they could possibly do it. And it's going to be interesting to see. And it's a great I think it if nothing else, it's going to be a great infusion of cash and a great new opportunity for Intel Foundry. I agree with that. I agree with that point. >> Yeah. I mean, the kind of initial money they're talking about, it's I don't think the initial money they're talking about is enough for a true leading edge sub 2nometer fab buildout. It's this the initial commitment and ponying up the money to get this rolling that's important. And I I I have a feeling even if it's uh if it's rough roads initially that Musk will stick it out, right? he he wants these chips built here and he wants the chips made the way he wants them and he wouldn't have made such a big splash with the announcement um if he wasn't serious about it. So like I said perhaps not the exact vision that was laid out but something will come of this and it will most likely be positive for all parties involved. >> Well what's really interesting is I think that we're finally especially through these announcements we're starting to see Li Bhutan until CEO his strategy kind of come to fruition here. Yeah, >> agree. >> Yeah, >> totally. Absolutely. >> It's going to be great. Well, hey, I want to let everyone know that first off, thank you for joining us today. If you have any comments or anything, please let us know. Matter of fact, one of the comments I'd like to see you say is, you know, are you interested in the Snapdragon platform? 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